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DaveH
Tour Player
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| 10/02/2007 7:38 PM |
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In response to the following comment, “For years I have struggled with basically one problem - from the top of my swing, I tend to get quick in the transition down, often driving my right hip toward the ball. This results in the obvious, where I spin out and lose my spine angle, forcing me to tilt my shoulders and bring the club from “underneath” the plane. Predictably, I hit high-right blocks and hard hooks when this starts happening. I have tried many fixes, none seeming to really work all that well. My goal is to find a transition move, similar to Peter’s “bump” or Snead’s “squat” to key on. I figure if I try to actively initiate something on the downswing as opposed to avoiding something, that this might help. Here is what I am trying: From the top of my swing, I key my transition on trying to bring my left shoulder down closer to my left hip. To do so, the feeling is similar to trying to do a side crunch (in this case crunching downward), contracting the external oblique on that side. This seems to almost steepen my shoulder angle and prevents any spin out. Now when that hip fires it seems to help accelerate the shoulder turn rather than power me out of my angle. The crunch is momentary - it only really needs to happen at the transition which is long enough to counteract the hip. I have no idea whether this is correct or something that will continue to work. I just thought it up on the range over the weekend but seems to work where all else has failed. What I like about it is that the oblique should be a strong enough muscle to resist being overpowered by the hip.”
JH said:
You are very perceptive about the swing and what makes it work and the resulting ball flight. So much that I wonder how you figured this out. Any way, the transition you have worked out is one that I have often used myself when I have gotten stuck. It is absolutely correct and in fact is one that I am currently using on Peter Jacobsen to eliminate a slight hip slide and too much right spine tilt that puts him a little underneath and down his line too long. Keep doing it until the problem is cured then back off of it a little.
I was very curious about your information. It was so correct that I was somewhat taken back. It took me twenty some years to figure it out and here was someone that out of the blue was right on track with an understanding that you just don’t hear every day.
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jduncanm3
Major Champion
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| 10/19/2007 6:54 PM |
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[quote]Posted By DaveH on 10/02/2007 7:38 PM
In response to the following comment, “For years I have struggled with basically one problem - from the top of my swing, I tend to get quick in the transition down, often driving my right hip toward the ball. This results in the obvious, where I spin out and lose my spine angle, forcing me to tilt my shoulders and bring the club from “underneath” the plane. Predictably, I hit high-right blocks and hard hooks when this starts happening. I have tried many fixes, none seeming to really work all that well. My goal is to find a transition move, similar to Peter’s “bump” or Snead’s “squat” to key on. I figure if I try to actively initiate something on the downswing as opposed to avoiding something, that this might help. Here is what I am trying: From the top of my swing, I key my transition on trying to bring my left shoulder down closer to my left hip. To do so, the feeling is similar to trying to do a side crunch (in this case crunching downward), contracting the external oblique on that side. This seems to almost steepen my shoulder angle and prevents any spin out. Now when that hip fires it seems to help accelerate the shoulder turn rather than power me out of my angle. The crunch is momentary - it only really needs to happen at the transition which is long enough to counteract the hip. I have no idea whether this is correct or something that will continue to work. I just thought it up on the range over the weekend but seems to work where all else has failed. What I like about it is that the oblique should be a strong enough muscle to resist being overpowered by the hip.”
JH said:
You are very perceptive about the swing and what makes it work and the resulting ball flight. So much that I wonder how you figured this out. Any way, the transition you have worked out is one that I have often used myself when I have gotten stuck. It is absolutely correct and in fact is one that I am currently using on Peter Jacobsen to eliminate a slight hip slide and too much right spine tilt that puts him a little underneath and down his line too long. Keep doing it until the problem is cured then back off of it a little.
I was very curious about your information. It was so correct that I was somewhat taken back. It took me twenty some years to figure it out and here was someone that out of the blue was right on track with an understanding that you just don’t hear every day.
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that's excellent dave, you really nailed that one. the issue of over active hips compromising spine angle and taking the club off the proper turning arc is something myself and andyp have been working on. your post and jh's reply are very insightful
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Dinger
Rookie
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| 10/22/2007 10:13 AM |
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Dave, JH, JD:
By doing this "side crunch", it would seem to me to be a great method to work on to help one that has a problem with hitting it off of the hosel? |
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tgreenwood11
Club Champion
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| 12/09/2007 6:22 AM |
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| Lee Trevino had a huge "side crunch". He side crunched down in the zone and shallowed his plane like few others ever had. For this reason he hit the ball very low. |
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hititstrt
Rookie
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| 12/09/2007 9:06 PM |
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DaveH,
Any update on progress? Did you find you were able to cure the spin out altogether or do you still consiously think about a side crunch with each swing |
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DaveH
Tour Player
Posts:434
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| 12/09/2007 10:35 PM |
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| There's some confusion here. This topic post and all the others I made which start, "Jim Hardy on the...," were to bring together most of Jim's posts in the "FAQ/Greatest Instruction Posts" forum, so they will be easy to find and review. In the early days of the forum before The Plane Truth was published, Jim picked out certain good questions to answer. The posts are still good reading, and because I'd made a habit of collecting them, it seemed like a good idea to bring them together. Most of his posts could be documented without including the question or comment that inspired them, but this particular one needed the comment. I didn't make it and I don't recall who did. If you're interested in reading the posts Jim has made on his forum, most of the good ones are here. DaveH |
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DylanGing
Greenhorn
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| 03/20/2008 12:14 PM |
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See some other good players that make a simliar move
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wxn0sIkJH8
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fernow
Greenhorn
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| 03/25/2008 7:50 PM |
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| Don't know if anyone is still looking at this thread but here is another thought that works for me and has the same effect as the side crunch. At the start of the downswing I think about stepping HARD on the ball and toes of my left foot. It initiates my downswing and feels like I am "stepping on an accelerator". Although I never thought of it until reading this tread, it causes me to do a left side crunch. The step on the left foot accelerator thought keeps me from flipping my hips too quickly. Might help someone else too |
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mdempsey
Greenhorn
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| 03/28/2008 9:33 AM |
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Dave,
Have you seen the instruction piece in this month's Golf Magazine concerning Tiger Woods? Peter Kostis shows a practice drill where he leans a 5' piece of PVC against the bill of his cap and hits balls without it falling off. This looks like it would be an excellent one-plane drill to help you stay in your posture and turn around a bent over spine. What do you think?
Thanks,
Mike |
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